WARREN

Q. It's untrue is it?

A. Mmm.

Q. And why do you say that Martin?

A. Because I didn't, I drove straight past.

Q. So how do you account for the car being there?

A. That lady could've drove it down there. That one, the wife or girlfriend of the chap I took hostage 'cos I said to get into my, the Volvo.

WARREN

Q. Martin.

A. Mmm. Like I was telling you before, it's, it's true.

Q. I believe that you umm, took the BMW near the toll booth, not on the highway.

A. ... inaudible ... I wasn't there that afternoon.

Q. And what's more, I can tell you we have spoken to the people that say the car was taken from the toll booth area.

A. It's not true.

Q. Not true?

A. Must've been someone else ... inaudible ...

WARREN

Q. How many people were in the BMW?

A. Ahh there was a lady, I don't recall if it's a boy or girl, and a man, there's three people altogether.

Q. Couldn've been four?

A. No definitely three.

Q. Definitely three.

A. Mmm.

Q. How many women did you see?

A. In the BMW?

Q. Mmm.

A. There was the lady and the child, I forget whether the child was a boy or a girl.

WARREN

Q. Martin, I believe you went to the Broad Arrow Cafe at Port Arthur on Sunday the 28th.

A. That's nonsense. Like I said I didn't go to Port Arthur.

WARREN

Q. See you, you've been pretty good with your memory really and a lot of things that we've been talking to you about, some things you're not recollecting, but you're very very definite now that you weren't at Port Arthur on that day.

A. Probably because I've got a reasonably good memory.

Q. You've got a reasonably good memory.

A. I would've definitely told you if I, if I went into Port Arthur 'cos Port Arthur attracts a lot of crowds.

Q. Do you like going to places where there's a lot of people?

A. Ohh, all depends who I'm with and ...

Q. Mmm.

A. ... What, what's going on that day and whatever.

Q. What ahh, would you say if I said that someone's identified you having a meal at the Broad Arrow Cafe?

A. Having a meal? I had a toasted sandwich at Nubeena and that was it.

WARREN

Q. Martin, you haven't asked Mr Warren where the lady with the, with whose death you've been charged, was.

A. Yeah it was a lady, you, you said that the lady's name, you told me.

Q. Where was she?

A. Umm, I really don't know. That's like I said to you earlier, it was the chap that I took hostage and I reckon he was the one that died.

Q. You reckon.

A. On the murder count.

Q. Just have a bit of a think about it, about this particular lady. You've already been charged with her murder okay, just have a bit of a think about it for a minute. Thinking about it?

A. No, I'm thinking what this is, what this is.

Q. I'd like you to have a look at this photo. It's numbered zero zero nine zero. Okay. It's a white Toyota Corolla.

A. I drove straight past that day and I just drove past there.

Q. What about this car?

A. Is there a person in it.

Q. You haven't seen that car before?

A. No never.

Q. Right.

A. Drove straight past that shop that day, that Sunday.

Q. Martin, quite frankly I find it very hard to believe what you're telling me.

A. Well it's your word, I mean how come you don't believe me?

Q. Well Inspector Paine mentioned it to you just a very short time ago, we've been speaking to a lot of people.

A. Mmm.

Q. Who have identified a person answering your description at Port Arthur, at the Broad Arrow Cafe.

A. Mmm.

Q. At the toll booth. On the road on the way to the toll booth and also at the service station where that Toyota Corolla was. And bearing in mind that your car, registered to you ...

A. Mmm.

Q. ... Was also there at the toll booth and you're telling us that you weren't anywhere near it.

A. That's right, I drove straight past, so.

Q. So how, how do you expect us to believe what you're telling us. Doesn't add up does it. Doesn't make any sense.

A. It's silly, I mean, I wouldn't drive into Port Arthur on that day so. I drove straight past Port Arthur that day.

Q. Well you did, you did a month earlier. Drove into Port Arthur. And you were seen.

A. I did not.

Q. You were seen in there.

A. Did not.

Q. Do you know what's happened on that day?

A. What's happened on that day.

Q. On the 28th of April?

A. No.

Q. You don't?

A. No.

Q. Are you sure about that?

A. Positive.

Q. Positive.

A. Yep.

Q. Well I'll tell you what's happened. There have been twenty people in that Broad Arrow Cafe.

A. Mmm.

Q. Who were shot and, and killed and there were a lot of others injured.

A. Right.

Q. There were also a number of people in the car park were killed as a result of being shot. There were four people that were taken out of that BMW who were shot and killed. There were two children and their mother on the way to the toll booth.

A. Ohh God, it's awful isn't it.

Q. And a girl in that white Toyota Corolla that I just showed you. And we believe you're responsible.

A. You reckon I'm responsible.

Q. Well we believe you're responsible.

A. I only went surfing that day so.

Q. Well what have you got to say about that?

A. Well who's responsible.

Q. You are.

A. How many people died altogether that?

Q. Including the people at Seascape.

A. Mmm.

Q. Thirty five.

A. How many other people injured? Many?

Q. Well I.

A. How many ... inaudible... a dozen.

WARREN

Q. Approximately twenty.

A. Approximately twenty. What seriously or not?

Q. Some more serious than others but they're all okay.

A. This is, I can't believe this.

WARREN

Q. And those firearms of yours, the three O eight and the two two three.

A. No, that shotgun and the little Colt AR15 ...inaudible... I don't know about the others.

WARREN

Q. Martin, we have spoken to over six hundred people.

A. Mmm.

Q. A lot of them were at Port Arthur.

A. Ohh. I mean I would've said if, that I, I've, I mean, don't you believe me what I'm telling you about them guns. I've never seen them other guns before in my life.

WARREN

Q. ...inaudible... you said you had those three.

A. Yeah.

Q. The three O eight, the two two three and the shotgun with you on that day?

A. I, I had two guns with me, I took for target practising. I took the shotgun and the little other gun, the Colt. And I, I must've got that burnt that little, little one in the middle.

Q. How do you reckon that got burnt?

A. Striking a match, a match. Why did I stop.

WARREN

Q. Where was that petrol.

A. 'Cos I mean that, that wasn't ...inaudible...

Q. Where was the petrol.

A. Would've saved you a lot of time if I'd been blown up with the hostage.

WARREN

Q. We've got, we've got all the time in the world Martin. It's ahh.

A. Obviously I have too, so what does it matter.

Q. What, what matters is we'd like to know why you've done, what you've done mate, it's simple.

A. What have I done I mean, I know I've done the wrong.

Q. I've just told, I've just told you what you've done.

A. I've done, I've done the wrong thing by stealing the car.

Q. Are you understanding what I just said to you? 'Cos I've told you what you have done.

A. What have I done?

Q. You've killed thirty five people.

A. Ohh ... inaudible ...

WARREN

Q. And injured serveral others. Martin, it's not Mr Warren and I are saying this. We, as I said to you, we've interviewed a lot of people.

A. Mmm.

A. And a lot of peole have identified a person with your description driving your car, killing those thirty five people.

A. Well all I can say is about ...inaudible ... to Port Arthur. All I know is other people have said to me, asked a couple of times whether I was at Port Arthur and I've said no because I wasn't there at Port Arthur that day.

Q. Martin.

A. I drove, drove past the Port Arthur turn off.

Q. Well we, we don't believe that.

A. Well how come.

Q. We believe you went into Port Arthur. Had a slight argument with the toll gate person about the price on entry. We believe you then went to park you car and an attendant or someone ...

A. Park the car.

Q. ... Said you couldn't park in a certain spot, so you didn't and sometime later you did move your car to that spot. We believe you went to the Broad Arrow Cafe with that bag over there, containing some guns and your video camera. You purchased a meal, you went outside, sat down, and then went back into the cafe. Took one.

A. But you might've. That's like me saying to you, that you were down there.

Q. But the difference is Martin, my car wasn't down there and I haven't been identified as being down there and I wasn't down there. And then you took one of the guns out of your bag and opened fire in the cafe.

A. Why would I do that, I mean.

Q. I don't know, you tell me.

A. Why, why would anyone do a thing like that, what.

Q. Well you tell us.

A. ... inaudible ...

WARREN

Q. That's what we want to know Martin, why.

A. What, what, would, I wouldn't hurt a person in my life.

Q. Well you've already said you'd put the man in your boot of the car.

A. Only, yes, yes.

Q. Then you've set fire to the car and you thought that he was in the boot.

A. ... inaudible ...

Q. So how do you explain that?

A. It was a bad thing.

Q. Well it was a bad thing.

A. But I got burnt too so, that doesn't worry you I suppose.

WARREN

Q. Well it does.

WARREN

Q. Of course it worries us.

A. Well that's all I can recall. That's all I know. I've got a pretty clear mind.

WARREN

Q. And then.

A. I definitely wasn't there at Port Arthur that Sunday or a month before.

Q. After opening fire in the cafe and walking through the cafe, you left the cafe and went down near the bus park, shooting, shooting several people. Then you got in your car and drove back towards the toll booth. Before reaching the toll booth, you stopped and shot dead a lady and two small children.

A. Go on.

Q. Then you got to the toll booth, to the position we showed you your car was in, in that photo.

A. Mmm.

Q. Took the BMW, shooting the occupants.

A. Must've been, I told, the BMW was back there at the Fortesque Bay turnoff.

Q. No, the BMW wasn't there.

A. Was it the same color BMW? Q Yes. Shooting the four occupants. Then drivinig to the service station near the white Corolla that was in that photo. Forcing the person into the boot of the BMW as you've described and shooting the person that was still in the Corolla and then driving to Seascape.

A. Did that person, did that person die did you say?

Q. Yes.

A. Mmm.

Q. At Seascape before driving down the driveway, we believe you shot at several cars driving past. Then you went down to Seascape.

A. I didn't shoot anyone.

WARREN

Q. You didn't shoot anyone?

A. No, not at all. And you reckon you've got dozens of witnesses.

Q. Certainly have.

A. Where are they?

Q. Where are they?

A. Mmm, the witness. Have you got any other photos to show me?

Q. Well do you ...

WARREN

Q. ... Do you want to see the photos?

WARREN

Q. They're not very pleasant.

A. Aren't they ... inaudible ... I don't like ... inaudible.. I like watching videos ... inaudible ...

Q. You have?

A. Mmm.

Q. Do you like horror videos do you?

A. Ohh some of 'em. Sometimes they're okay, there's some good actors in 'em.

WARREN

Q. What's your favorite one?

A. Steven Segal in it, umm.

Q. The one on the boat? A He was the Karate Kid, he was in Karate Kid II, did you see that one did you?

Q. No.

A. Mmm. Well what, Under Seige, yeah. Watched that heaps of times, over and over again.

Q. Mmm.

A. Mmm.

WARREN

Q. You're in a little bit of trouble Martin aren't you? Would you say?

A. I dunno, I spose I am. I'd like to get, get hold of some bail money.

WARREN

Q. There's no chance of that.

A. No chance at all.

Q. No chance of bail.

A. That's what I was, the Magistrate Mr Hill, appeal ... inaudible ... last month. He said, are you Mr Marting Bryant. I said, yes. He said, you're remanded in custody till this ... inaudible ... I didn't even come to the hearing, okay 'cos I wasn't well ... inaudible... I should see me solicitor about bail.

WARREN

Q. What did you think ahh, the night that you were in hospital and I said you were being charged with the murder of ahh, that girl?

A. Bit shocked, mmm.

Q. Have you given it, have you given it a lot of thought since?

A. I just, want, I'd love to just get out of here now. Live a norm, a normal life. Will I be allowed to do that?

WARREN

Q. Well that's not a question for us. What do you think your chances of that are?

A. Ohh.

Q. After hearing what we've said.

A. Well, I shouldn've gone and kidnapped him and the BMW. It's the wrong thing. That and, that and in the, being caught with not having a driver's licence. So they're the two things I've done wrong. I don't know why I stole the BMW in the first place. I wish I'd ... inaudible...

WARREN

Q. Do you remember, do you remember telling me that you were being unjustly accused in the hospital that time, after I said you had been charged with murder?

A. No.

Q. You don't remember that? Well it's surprising because your memory has been pretty good about that. You can't recall that?

A. Don't recall that at all.

WARREN

Q. Could it be that you don't want to remember it Martin?

A. No, I can recall you saying that when I woke, woke up, all you said was you're on one count of murder Mr Bryant. I said, what, who have I murdered ...inaudible ...

Q. Could it be Martin that you ahh, don't want to remember the events at Port Arthur on that day?

A. I, like I said I haven't been to Port Arthur this year so. It's true. I've got to tell the truth.

WARREN

Q. And where do you think that leaves us?

A. Well you've go ... inaudible ...

Q. Well bearing in mind what we've been told by many many people, what we've seen and having spoken to you, how do you think we feel about this?

A. It's your job, you probably feel pretty good about.

Q. Why do you say that?

A. I dunno, just.

Q. I can tell you, I don't feel very good about this at all.

A. Don't you.

Q. No.

WARREN

Q. Neither do I.

WARREN

Q. Ahh, both Inspector Paine and myself and many many other people have been very badly affected by it.

A. Mmm.

Q. What do you think of that?

A. It's sad isn't it.

WARREN

Q. And so have you of course

A. Ohh yeah.

WARREN

Q. You're a victim yourself aren't you?

A. Mmm. I'm a victim.

Q. Well do you think you are? I mean I've made the statement.

A. Ohh.

Q. But you, do you think you're a victim?

A. No ... inaudible ...

WARREN

Q. Do you think people should take responsibility for their actions Martin?

A. ... inaudible ... responsibility?

WARREN

Q. Well.

WARREN

Q. I mean do you think that people should accept the consequences of what they do?

A. Yeah I do. I spose I should for a little while for what I've done. Just a little while and let me out, let me live my own life. I'm missing my Mum. I really miss her actually, what she cooks up for me, her rabbit stews and everything. She's not even allowed to bring a little bit of food for me, that, that's a bit upsetting. Mmm.

WARREN

Q. Martin, unless there's anything else that you want to tell us, we're going to ahh, stop the interview now. As Mr Warren explained to you, this is the last opportunity you'll have to speak to us. You'll be at your next court appearance, charged with twenty murders, I'm sorry, thirty five murders and ...

A. Just that.

Q. ... And approximately twenty attempted murders and several wounding charges as well.

A. Attempted murders.

Q. And also.

A. You mean attempted, they weren't hurt?

Q. Ahh, yes they were hurt. Some of those people. You'll also be charged with the arson of Seascape. Do you understand all that?

A. How months will it get me in?

Q. Well that's not a, a questoin I can answer.

A. And the arson of the BMW.

Q. No, of the Seascape. We believe you burnt Seascape as well as the BMW. I hope we've explained things clearly and you understand the gravity of the situation.

A. It's great to have someone to talk to. And you guys won't be in again?

Q. No.

A. To have a talk.

Q. No.

A. I'll miss yas.

Q. Now what's going to happen now, after we cancel, finish the interview, you'll be introduced to a senior police officer who will ask you ahh, several questions about the interview procedure.

A. Now or?

Q. Yeah in about, in a couple of moments.

A. Might even bring me tea in here.

Q. Well I'm sorry, we can't give you any.

A. No.

Q. Kentucky Fried.

A. It's sad.

Q. Extremely sad.

WARREN

Q. Certainly is Martin.

A. Especially the ones that were injured. So how many were injured?

WARREN

Q. About twenty. Some not ...

A. Plus, yeah some.

Q. ... Some not seriously, some more serious than others obviously.

A. That's what I ... inaudible...

Q. I might add, with all the people that were shot, were either shot with those two weapons closest to us over there, your weapons.

A. Yeah ... No, not the one with the scope, I don't know that, never seen that one before. Mmm. I'm not signing anything.

Q. Mr O'Garey will deal with that.

A. Not until me lawyer sees me. I'm sure you'll find the person who caused all this. Me.

Q. I don't find that a very funny statement at all Martin, to be quite honest.

A. You should've put that on recording.

Q. Ohh it's still recording at this present stage. So that is on recording.

WARREN

Q. Like I said to you before Martin, ahh, like I said before mate, umm, we are looking at the person responsible.

WARREN

Q. I'll go and get Superintendent O'GareY.

A. I must need a lawyer then ... inaudible ...

WARREN

Q. You tell me.

A. ... inaudible ...

Q. We'd really like to know why mate because you know, I mean, it's ... inaudible ..

A. I'd really love to help you out ... inaudible ... but I can't. Have you had other trouble like this, dramatic?

Q. Not on this scale, no.

A. No. Spose it happens, doesn't it.